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Tuesday, February 03, 2009

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Peter Keane

It has always struck me that sitemaps (perhaps not as implemented, but the general approach) was bringing us closer to the interoperability/discoverability ideals of the Semantic Web effort than RDF, etc. It's already working in fact -- since presumably site maps feed the indexes that allow us to search the web. I'm curious to hear/read/think more about Atom-based sitemaps as well -- seems quite natural. And feed-discovery is so well established (head links) that we have a foundation to build on.

Subbu Allamaraju

Better yet - something along the lines of

[atom:link type="application/vnd.google-earth.kml+xml" href="http://www.example.com/example1.kml"/]

dret

@subbu: in theory, yes. in practice, the sitemaps format is a given and it does have this decidedly weird idea of using [url][loc]URI[/loc][/url] instead of just saying [url href="URI"/] (what almost any XML person would do). i guess it must have been designed by one of those people who do not like attributes.

( using [] instead of real XML because, believe it or not, typepad is not capable of dealing with markup in comments. typepad is so badly broken in so many different ways. )

dret

@peter: yes, sitemaps (the general approach) are good, because they allow machine-based discovery. it is just that the current format and spec are decidedly sub-optimal, which is sad, because like you say, it is a good approach. sitemaps.org does mention feeds, but that is more in passing and they don't define any extensions, so it is not really all that useful in practice.

i think in the end, the interesting question would be how big of an overlap there is between sitemaps XML and atom. both list URIs (well, almost; atom id's don't even have to be URIs), but sitemaps in random order with minimal and optional metadata (@lastmod, @changefreq, and @priority), and atom in time-ordered fashion and with different and richer metadata.

i think the big difference is that atom is well thought-through and well-specified, whereas sitemaps are a quick hack and the "specification" is more a rough draft. a new one should be coming out soon, i am curious to see how it will change the format (if at all). hopefully, it will at least more completely specify the format and its extensibility.

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